And why I mention this is because I had a lot of identity issues growing up, being caught between American and Colombian culture, between English and Spanish, and not really necessarily knowing or understanding my place, and who I really was and where I could be accepted and where I could belong. But it was many years later that I discovered that the city that we moved to, was actually fairly conservative. I would say that I didn’t know this at the time. I got the chance to experience America as an immigrant, a very young immigrant, kind of learning the ropes of American culture, and how to speak English, and how to assimilate into my new surroundings. But my close family and I, parents and siblings, moved to the US when I was about six years old. So where I was born was in South America and Colombia, where I have a big, big, extended family, they’re all still there. The biggest part of that is because I have grown up and lived in many different countries, and constantly shifted across languages. But why I love talking about my personal journey is because it’s so intricately connected with the work that I do today. So I love, I was about to say I love talking about myself. ![]() Where did you grow up, and what was the path that led you to do the work that you do now? SANDRA: Thank you, Melinda, for having me. Looking forward to this important conversation. Today, we’ll be discussing how products can reinforce the underlying patterns of oppression, and how we can build anti-oppressive products, services, and technology. So she currently helps product and design teams around the world to build thriving work cultures and socially impactful solutions. She started her career at Google, working on Product Innovation and Learning and Development, and left to pursue her dreams of designing for social impact. Today, our guest is Sandra Camacho, who is an Inclusive Design Consultant, Educator & Strategist, at Sandra By Design. Want to learn more? Visit to check out more of my work. In this episode, you’ll learn tangible actionable steps that you can take to lead the change to be a more inclusive leader, no matter what your role is. We advocate for people, and we lead the change on our teams, in our organizations, and across our communities. We work to avoid unintentionally harming people with our words and actions. As a part of that process, we learn and unlearn and relearn. ![]() We learn what people are uniquely experiencing, we show empathy for their experience, and we take action. What is allyship? Allyship is empathy in action. I’m also the author of How to Be an Ally, and your host for this show. I’m Melinda Briana Epler, Founder and CEO of Empovia, formally Change Catalyst. MELINDA: Welcome to Leading With Empathy & AllyShip.
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